[Person-ontology] Person-Ontology Discussions to start Friday Oct 5th
Paul Trevithick
paul at socialphysics.org
Tue Oct 2 19:35:36 PDT 2007
James,
Thanks for getting this project going.
A nit: Higgins isn't a response to Microsoft CardSpace. The project was
started long before we even knew who folks like Kim Cameron and Mike Jones
were. It is true that both projects independently settled on the "card
metaphor," and that Higgins does have a goal (among many!) to be as
interoperable with CardSpace-compatible IdP, Identity Agents and RPs as it
is technically and legally possible to be. And we are working towards having
all of the functionality of Microsoft CardSpace 1.0, and, depending on
Microsoft's continued willingness to document their system and release these
specifications under an open specifications promise, potentially future
versions as well. But all the same, Higgins is about other identity systems
too. We're doing more and more with OpenID, we have our eyes on SAML, and
there are other things as well. We believe that the card metaphor can be
applied to these protocols as well.
I look forward to following your work here.
-Paul
> -----Original Message-----
> From: person-ontology-bounces at idcommons.net [mailto:person-ontology-
> bounces at idcommons.net] On Behalf Of Schoening, James R Mr CIV USA AMC
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 12:27 PM
> To: person-ontology at idcommons.net
> Subject: [Person-ontology] Person-Ontology Discussions to start Friday Oct
> 5th
>
> Person-Ontology,
>
> We have 21 subscribers so far, but let's give it a few more
> days. I'll kick things off on Friday with introductions, orientation
> information, and some issues to discuss. Thanks to all for subscribing.
>
> Jim Schoening
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Schoening, James R Mr CIV USA AMC
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 5:35 PM
> To: standard-upper-ontology at listserv.ieee.org
> Subject: Potential Killer-App for Upper Ontology and Semantic Web
>
> SUO Subscribers,
>
> Here's more information on the Higgins open-source project and
> why it could provide (with our help) a de facto standard core ontology
> for the Semantic Web. You can participate by subscribing to the
> Person-Ontology list at
> http://idcommons.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/person-ontology (or send
> me an email).
>
> Higgins is a response to Microsoft Windows CardSpace, designed
> to give individuals control over their personal information and the
> ability to securely interface with vendors, governments, people, etc.
>
> IBM, Oracle, Novel, and some dot-coms believe enough in this
> potential to fund at least 20 full-time developers. If this takes off,
> it could grow quite large. After all, who doesn't want better control
> of their personal information.
>
> Users will see significant benefits. For example, to shop for
> auto insurance, they will answer the standard industry questions and
> obtain instant competitive quotes, with no middle man charging a fee.
> Plus, with the Higgins security, this will be private, so you're not
> sharing your profile with the world.
>
> As soon as a base of users emerges (or is anticipated), vendors
> will be eager to interface with them. Some will collaborate to release
> industry-specific extensions to the core ontology.
>
> Why an upper ontology? It's probably not needed for a
> stand-alone person-ontology, but would help with industry extensions,
> especially when vendors want to offer package deals with other
> industries, for example, if an airline wants to offer rental cars.
> Also, if this works with the buy-seller portion of a business, it could
> expand to other parts of the operation. This could quickly become a
> global standard for semantics.
>
> How do we help? The current Higgins Ontology is bare bones. We
> can make it better. We'll be starting out as a parallel effort, but the
> Higgins leaders are eager to see if we can do this, and to migrate to
> it.
>
> To monitor or join this open-source project, subscribe to the
> Person-Ontology list at
> http://idcommons.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/person-ontology or send me
> an email.
>
> Initial issues we'll address:
>
> a. Should Higgins consider a more robust
> person-ontology?
>
> b. If so, what ontology language should it be developed
> in?
>
> c. Should the Higgins Person-Ontology be based on an
> upper ontology?
>
> d. If so, what candidate upper ontologies should be
> considered, and which should be selected?
>
> Below is my original posting, which privides more information
> and links on the Higgins project.
>
> Please Reply with any comments or questions (to this SUO list),
> or join us on the Person-Ontology list. Thanks.
>
> Jim Schoening
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Schoening, James R Mr CIV USA AMC
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 5:49 PM
> To: 'standard-upper-ontology at listserv.ieee.org'
> Subject: User-centric ontology needed by another project
>
> SUO Subscribers,
>
> Here's a project that needs our help; and in turn, could provide
> a user base for an upper ontology.
>
> The Problem: We all have lots of data, but it's all inconsistent and we
> don't have control over it.
>
> Current Efforts:
>
> Microsoft Windows CardSpace (formerly InfoCard)(They don't need
> our help.)
>
> Higgins Project:
> http://www.eclipse.org/higgins/higgins-charter.php
> This is an open source effort. 'Higgins' comes from a
> name of mouse.
> Mission: To improve interoperability, privacy, and
> security as well as empower users with more control over their personal
> information.
> Higgins User-Centric Ontology
> http://wiki.eclipse.org/Higgins_Ontology Good start, but they need our
> need and have welcomed it. This message invites participation by all.
> Please forward to others, who can subscribe by sending the message
> SUBSCRIBE STANDARD-UPPER-ONTOLOGY to listserv at LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG.
>
> I propose we:
>
> 1. Brainstorm and recruit particiation via this list for a
> couple weeks, then move to a new list to focus.
>
> 2. Review the current Higgins user-centric ontology
> http://www.eclipse.org/higgins/ontologies/2006/higgins.owl and start
> providing suggestions.
>
> 3. Develop strawman ontologies based on different upper
> ontologies. Evalaute, compare, and provide results to the Higgins
> project, which might decide to base later releases on an upper ontology.
>
>
> If Higgins takes off, it could grow as fast as Myspace or
> FaceBook, and of all the companies, organizations, and governments that
> deal with these users, some will choose to use the same upper ontology.
>
> This kicks of the brainstorming, so please post your thoughts.
>
> Jim Schoening
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